Anolis gorgonae

[Ozan]

Hammer!
Den will ich haben!!
http://www.sebra-verlag.de/titel/lesepr ... mbien.html

http://www.princeton.edu/~mramos/Images ... rgonae.png

http://images.google.de/imgres?imgurl=h ... D%26sa%3DN

Der ist aber auch nicht von schlechten Eltern:
http://www.princeton.edu/~mramos/Images ... assizi.png

Oder vielleicht doch dieser hier??
http://images.google.de/imgres?imgurl=h ... D%26sa%3DN

Fragen über Fragen...

[Cuba Libre]

Alter Schwede - wie geil,
koplett strahlend blau: Das ist ja die Gnade fürs Terri und der perfekte Kontrast zu den grünen Nachbarn.
Wo gibts denn sowas? (Ja, Kolumbien - steht ja drunter. aber hat schon jemand den
A. gorgonae in Deutschland gesehen?).
Würde mich auch gewaltig intressieren!!!

MfG Sven

[Uwe]

nein den gibts bei uns noch nicht.....

Gruß

[Ozan]

Was nicht ist, kann ja noch werden. Oder gibt es einen Exportverbot aus Kolumbien?

[Ozan]

Ich sehe gerade, dass die Insel Gorgona ein Nationalpark ist. Schade für mich und andere Liebhaber, aber sicherlich gut für die Tiere.

[Denny]

Yes ilsla gorgona is a wildlife reserve protected by columbian army forces (An army base is situated on the isle) I think you would have to talk your ass off if you are caught on it. A friend of mine has been there and wrote an article on this anole in a US magazine. Have forgotten the name of it. It was on the old mailing list of the ACG so I will check in on it. BTW as far as I know the official name of the animal is Anolis chloris gorgonae. A subspecies of chloris which is pretty common throughood Colombia and other south american countries

greets denny.

Anolis agazissi is also a species that lives on the vertical rock faces of an isolated and protected isle. Phyllorhinos. Beautifull but as far as I know they only found one female of the species so far. Not very common and certainly no terrarium subject for the time being.

[Ozan]

Hello Denny!
Unfortunately there are only a few species kept in captivity in comparison with the huge number of different species in the genus Anolis. The more important it is, that there are groups that deal with anoles and breed them. It is a matter of time that the number of the species that are offered will grow.


Btw: Some further nice anoles:
http://animaldiversity.ummz.umich.edu/s ... /view.html

http://animaldiversity.ummz.umich.edu/s ... /view.html

And one of my favourites: A. e. potior:
http://fm2.fieldmuseum.org/animalguides ... ptiles.pdf

[Denny]

well I think your wrong. Sufficient legislation on the islands and on the mainland of south america will surely deminish the amount of species that are to be kept in captivity. Some of the best breeding species have dissapeared from the hobby because of imbreeding etc etc. We should consider ourselves very lucky that we are in the position to keep the species we have now and breed them succesfully because getting them is getting harder and harder.. All the rare species in captivity these days didn't get there way over here because the importer followed all the rules. I know people breeding and keeping anolis all over the world because I tend to run the worlds biggest and oldest anole keeper database with a friend of mine.
Next to that I'm not some-one that tends to keep, or has the will to only keep exotic species. I myself have kept A sagrei for many years and still think this species has more to offer than many of the odd species. How colorfull and interesting they might seem.
Furthermore We should keep in mind that we are one of the main contributors to vanishing species. Should we in our will to get the "exotic" ones empty nature of it's richness. We could much better be carefull with the ones we currently have and preserve these for future generations by breeding them succesfully. One day Even Sagrei and Carolinensis will be odd species in the hobby.
greetings

denny

[Ozan]

Hello Denny!
I don't agree with you concerning the statement that reptile-keepers are one of the main reasons for the declining number of some reptiles in nature. I would say that the main reason is the destruction of the habitats. Surely, the additional capture applies pressure on some species but the nations that have rare reptiles could handle this problem much smarter. They could sell some animals and the money they gain, they can spend for founding wildlife reserves or breeding stations. This also creates jobs, and so everyone has something of it. I would even say that breeders can protect species from dying out. Brachypelma smithi for example is protected because of the declining numbers in nature, but tarantula-keepers all over the world (especially in Germany) are breeding them in great quantities. I would guess, that now there are more individuals in captivity than in wildlife. Or Phelsuma guentheri for example. In 1976 I guess, there have been about 150-300 individuals in wildlife. The efforts of the breeding stations and private breeders who got some of those animals led to more than thousand geckos in captivity. In the same time, the wild living geckos recovered because of the protection of the habitats, so that perhaps it will not be necessary to bring the captive bred individuals back to nature.
Provided that the breeders organize breeding-groups in order to avoid inbreeding, we can be a good alternative for wildlife protection on-site.

greetings
Ozan

[Denny]

We should consider the fact that captive populations populations can destroy the last surviving wild animals because we introduce all kind of diseases into the wild by reintroduction. Next to that, in what way are captive animals still as diverse and adaptable to new chalenges. I know of more catastrophic attempt than succesfull attempts. Wildlife habitat destruction is a main course of species dissappearing. But it makes it a lot more easier to collect them because they have a limited area. I worked at an importer for about 2 years and I have a pretty good idea what get's imported in the netherlands alone. let alone what get's im and exported throughood the world. I also know what number of animals die during transport and while stashed at the distributors. Animals that survive those few first weeks will most probably perish when they are bought by hobbiests. The odds aren't good and that is the main reason that I reject massive import these days. It simply is a disgrace to what I want it to be. It's a market of millions playing with lives using the excuse that we are saving them by preserving captive populations.
The little successes that we have brought the world isn't an excuse for importing and saying we save lives? Most of the time we where at the roots of the problems in the first place. If not by collecting than by dragging disseases all over the world (considered the most significant problem for the extinction of many frogs all over the world) or destruction of habitat.
Captive animals can't be compared with it's natural siblings because we don't preach natural selection and the survival of the fittest.
England is a nice example. The captive bred reintroduction of Lacerta agilis was a big mistake. Populations that had survived are now dying out of disseases and not compatible gene strings that captive bred specimens brought into these populations. Simply said they introduced Monsters into a population that should have been protected. But reintroducing is a lot cheaper than preserving viable locations and what the hell, we did something about it. It didn't work but at least we tried, didn't we?
Well we can always say extinction is a natural thing can't we?

greetings

denny

[Horst]

Einen Bericht über A. gorgonae findet man hier ab Seite 47:


http://passthrough.fw-notify.net/downlo ... 1_2web.pdf

Gruß
Horst

[Nobi]

Och menno - erst 1 Jahr alt und schon funzt der Link nicht mehr
So'n Mist, die sehen ja wirklich hammermäßig aus.
Aber dran kommt man bestimmt immer noch nicht, oder?
Gibt es denn in der großen weiten Anolis Welt etwas ähnliches mit starkem Blauton?

[Horst]

Hallo Nobi,

Anolis allisoni sind oft sehr großflächig blau gefärbt. Guck z.B. mal hier: http://www.saumfinger.de/aallisonipics/ ... abitat.jpg


Gruß
Horst